MEZ [Mary-Anne Breeze] is a professional net.wurk artist who has exhibited in a multitude of venues & journals both online and off [including CTHEORY's Digital Dirt, Experimenta Media Arts, SIGGRAPH_99, ISEA_97, ARS Electronica_97, trAce, BeeHive Hypermedia Literary Journal, ACOUSTIC.SPACE, Riding The Meridian, fraMe, and Pleine-Peau]. Mez holds degrees in Applied Social Science & Creative Arts, and is the author of the networked polysemic language system termed "mezangelle", which evolved from integrating series of email x-changes [initiated on the 7-11 & American Express mailing lists] with computer code and regular chat/email iconographs. Mez also operates successfully in the online art-critique world, contributing to online ezines such as Cybersociology, Switch at the CADRE Institute, the Journal of Media, Meaning, Communication & Culture, and Untold.

	Session Start: Sun Jun 04 12:43:26 2000
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	*** Topic is ''Welcome EMT, Police, Fire Personnel and Friends (lace).'
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<Surd>	Hi Mezzie
*	datahbleede boughz to jen & surd
<Surd>	Surd curtsies to Mez and Jen
<datahbleeder>	nearlee burnt out wiff the mezangelle the pazt week
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<datahbleeder>	az in ava.tar[n brush] switchin
<datahbleeder>	like this:
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<datahfacee>	geddit?
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<datahbleede>	helloah
<datahbleede>	a
<datahbleede>	g
<datahbleede>	a
<datahbleede>	i
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<datahbleede>	:)
<datahbleede>	jim, realli realli loved "The Pen" btw
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*	datahbleede n-gagez runran
<datahbleede>	elloah r r
<runran>	yo
<datahbleede>	N u r...???
<Surd>	Thanks, Mez
<Surd>	Same pen i used to do the pornomorphs.
<datahbleede>	no prob, made my day reading it surd
<datahbleede>	yeah saw[e] that
<Surd>	'The pen' was the first of those.
<datahbleede>	nice 2 c it morph in2 various guizez then:)
<Surd>	the electric pen...
<Surd>	i thought of your angels...
<datahbleede>	realli?
<Surd>	as with the pornomorphs, you're using some symmetry
<datahbleede>	runran, yr aw.full.i quiet??
<datahbleede>	shore....symmetry is bigge with me mostlee
<Surd>	Who are you, runran?
<datahbleede>	when eye'm usin m-magery, anywaze:)
<datahbleede>	bit hard 2 get wurdz symm-metric.caul
<Surd>	secret connection between your angels and the pornomorphs
<datahbleede>	the symm? ore sumthing elze 2?
<Surd>	the sym
*	datahbleede luvs c.cretez
*	datahbleede getz a dialogic pheel happenin....2 + 1 + 1 = ??
<datahbleede>	runran is quickchat@=ggtgz34.island.net * Planet Z QuickChat
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<datahbleede>	ted!!
*	datahbleede N-gagez PbN
<PbN>	hello yo n lo
<datahbleede>	PbN is pbn@=Jcvl3-24.memlane.com - Poem by Nari
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<datahbleede>	ewe on irc 2?
<PbN>	yes
<PbN>	recording...
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*	datahbleede N-gagez jen
<jley>	hi all :))
<PbN>	Hi Jen
<PbN>	IRC: chat.planetz.net (7000) #defib (works with mIRC, Jen)
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<datahbleede>	that's the other jenn??
<PbN>	Yo Jim
*	datahbleede flippez herself in2 warmth mode
<jley>	that topic is funny ... seems some EMT's have been using the room as a literal defib
*	datahbleede actiff8z her heat glande
<Surd>	It'll be interesting to combine the chat today with the email exchanged on webartery about your work.
*	datahbleede tries 2 jump but has T in her hand...cood gette mezzie;)
<datahbleede>	shore...
<datahbleede>	got a phew thingz kneed sayin about translations n zound actualli...
*	jley is all earz
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<jley>	hi brian :)
<datahbleede>	well, aftah yr pozting jim about howe sound is evident in my wurk, itte got me thinkin about my current use/kneed 4 tranzlations....
<datahbleede>	heya bri!
<brianL>	allo
*	datahbleede N-gagez brianL
*	brianL fallz on flr
<PbN>	:)
<Surd>	translations from what to what?
*	datahbleede flicks bri in2 wurdshape
*	brianL slowly revz up
<jley>	have you ever sounded your works mez ... as a performance?
<datahbleede>	when i mezangelle ah piece/passage/tract, i normalli don'tte bother 2 tranzlate...
<datahbleede>	some sounde, used to read mi stuff jen b4 mezangelle took ova...
<datahbleede>	butte nowe i am tranzlatin like a mutha, and itte seemz 2 b necessari...
<PbN>	do tell...
<jley>	because of the discussion on webart?
<datahbleede>	i think it may have 2 du with that turnin 2wards the n-clusion ov the sound pat.turnz in2 lingual patterns that develop in the mezangelled strands...
<datahbleede>	mite do ted, knott shore realli, but the lilt ov the wurdz seems 2 b coming back[n front n sidewaze]
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<Surd>	still, i don't get the translation, Mez. Translating what to what?
*	datahbleede N-gagez re_wurkinPR
<re_workinpr>	sorry hardware probs here, back soon
<datahbleede>	tranzlating fromme the origin.all tract 2 a mezangelled vurssion, then back 2 goode o' pleine eng-Lizh...
<jley>	when you do the translation tho ... you relimit it back to one interpretation, no??
<PbN>	yes, u've done several trans recent at W.art
<datahbleede>	i think n-T-gratin the 2 [both the mezangelling N the sub-c-quent translated vurss] seems 2 b creeping in2 mi wurk mentalitee...
<PbN>	the trans are fascinating to see -- like looking into yr mind, M
<jley>	yes I enjoyed the translations as well ...
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<PbN>	hey re
<datahbleede>	well, that's the thinge jenn....i ^have^ been doinge that, but i have alzo started to send copiez of different slanted tranz 2 the mailing lizts i [oo]uze as playgroundez...
*	datahbleede N-gagez reiner
<re_workinpr>	seems like the trans in whatever direction doesn't transpose exactly
<jley>	ahhhhhhha
<re_workinpr>	code to code as much as it changes recursively
*	jley would really like to hear the mezangelle versions 'read'
<datahbleede>	x-actlee bri, that's tru, n that's y i dunno about the ethics n-volved in doin sew....
<datahbleede>	wheffer i'm s[h]elf censwhoring 2 much ore not..
<datahbleede>	like flatten-inge out the layered L-ementz in the mezangelle stuff
<datahbleede>	u get me?
<re_workinpr>	um.. personal ethics? readerly ethics? abstract ethics?
<jley>	yes .... sensewhoring almost ???
<datahbleede>	am i stayin tru 2 my vision or comp.rom.izing the act of mezangelling bi tranzlatin i guezz is wot i'm [deep]pond.er.ing
<re_workinpr>	ah...
<datahbleede>	ethicz onne a grande[mal]scale i zoopose...all ov the ahbove bri:)
<jley>	well mez if you look at that short thing above : s[h]elf censwhoring
<datahbleede>	yeah jen?
<jley>	there are so many ways to look at those two words interpretively
<jley>	self on shelf
<jley>	etc etc
<re_workinpr>	shelf on self (ow!)
<datahbleede>	eheh
*	datahbleede whacks herself withe a shelf
<jley>	I wonder if the translations can ever be as subtexturally rich as the original
<PbN>	yes!
<PbN>	maybe ultimately more
<jley>	even if they are easier to read as almost ... poetry
<datahbleede>	welle, i purr.son[N daughter] don't think sew, but have great re:actions 2 em...
<datahbleede>	N i Kant stoppe em, the sounde juzt seems 2 b [wo]manifeztin bigtime...
<jley>	the translations become very lyric ... for me
<datahbleede>	yesh 2 the poetri call 2 jenn....
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<datahbleede>	ted...u think the tranz can b moore/ can u saye more?
<re_workinpr>	jen do you find the untranzlated ones lyric too?
<jley>	not in the same way bri
<PbN>	your trans taken together as a whole, M -- very rich ^between^s
*	datahbleede N-gagez runran
<datahbleede>	rightte
<datahbleede>	yeah that makez sense
<runran>	hi
<jley>	depends on the audience ??
<re_workinpr>	lyric = sound? or lyric = structure?
<datahbleede>	think the waye itz goinge is a mad n-t-gration ov bothe,
<jley>	lyric as in structure ... audience as in traditional lyric poetry audience who might not engage as easily with the originals
<datahbleede>	butte knot in the traditional lyrical struct.ore notion...
<datahbleede>	a mixe ov bothe mebbe?
<re_workinpr>	oui, always i guess
<jley>	sorry mez /// let us all just tell ya what you're doin' eh??? --- blush
<PbN>	structure is obviously important in your work, M, as perhaps in most so-called 'code' poetries --
<datahbleede>	ov courze the n-teractorz who particpate make the structural com.po[mo]entz stand out N sit uppe...
<PbN>	can u say more?
<datahbleede>	no no jen, that'z coole, have no prob with that, izz fas-sin-ating:)
<datahbleede>	whoo me ted?
<PbN>	:)
<datahbleede>	ahbout struck.tore?
<PbN>	am I wrong?
<datahbleede>	hMM..well i spoze mi senze ov struck.tour comez fromme the netwurked 4matt more than anything else
<datahbleede>	no no, knott wronge:)
<re_workinpr>	i.e. structurally the mezangstexts require re-reading [reworking] ?
<re_workinpr>	= invite collab?
<datahbleede>	the spread ov simple text thru a email editore makez the procezz almozt sub-conciouz,
<jley>	a participatory reader??
<datahbleede>	ooh yeah
<datahbleede>	like that phrase[ologee]
<jley>	not that all readers aren't participatory ... but on another level
<datahbleede>	part[icle]ishipatori read.her&him
<jley>	:)
<datahbleede>	the active notion comez 4m the structure, taking a tract that grabs me and re-wurkin it without a manifest planne, going with N all.most n-stinctuall procezz....
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<martha>	hello! hello! hello!
<PbN>	M, am thinking the process itself is structured (editing, translating -- digital!) rather than 'form' per se...
<martha>	don't let me interrupt
<PbN>	that the results are NOT entirely arbitrary or random, but... structured (mentally)...
<datahbleede>	shore ted [martha n-turr.rupt all u like, thatz wot ircing is all about:)]
<reiner>	trans_la_ting ?
<datahbleede>	..butte i also think that with-n that str[ict]ucture izz n N-normouz amount of lee-way, the structore/forme makez this procezz fluid...
<PbN>	M, that was meant as a question... not a pronouncement...
<datahbleede>	tranz-8.ting[!]
<datahbleede>	:)
<reiner>	do you trans-late ?
<datahbleede>	ted, thoze fragmented echoz of the form procezz [editing, cutnpast-ting etc] show uppe the web ov the net.work, make it pozzible 2 move b-yond simple text-based 4mulationz....
<PbN>	yes
*	datahbleede steppz down off her hi[fi]horze 4 a bitte;)
<jley>	re: structure ... I think what I find interesting is that there seems to be no one way to mezang a word ... because the way you treat a word depends on its use and placement in context
<datahbleede>	reiner, du i tranz.L8?
<Surd>	If you were to read your work aloud, I imagine another translation would be in order.
<PbN>	Jen -- good!
<datahbleede>	ooh yeah surd, been thinkin ov that 2....
<Surd>	I have 'read' some of my visual poetry, basically something else completely.
<reiner>	translation would mean - there is an 'original' teXt be-fore (?)
<datahbleede>	jenn yr rightte, wot i tri to do iz 2 tinge mi mezangelling 2 allow 4 the widezt possible n-terp, but with cur.tain[t] thingz re-ack-curring ova N ova...
<Surd>	or 'interpretation' or just something else, though related.
<datahbleede>	surd, how'd u du it?
<jley>	thus it becomes a fluid and adaptable language ??
<martha>	do you do much performance of your work mez? I would be interested in listening.
<Surd>	do sound poetry to the piece... make a lot of noise.
<jley>	we all want sound !!!!
<reiner>	and some silence ;)
<re_workinpr>	jen: i think of that 'w/reading' process as : scanning channels [contexts]
<PbN>	yeah re
<datahbleede>	that ahllow[!]ance doezzn't alwaze wurk ov courze, and the ob.scu[g]ritee facktor may b upped a bit, but i still tri 2 allow 4 the reader 2 N-gage on some lvl....
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<jley>	aha br
<datahbleede>	n
<reiner>	- do you have a big trash - mez ? :)
<datahbleede>	i
<martha>	seems to me the reader must engage simply to understand
<datahbleede>	n
<datahbleede>	ehehhe reiner, u guezzed it:)
<jley>	brb
<datahbleede>	martha, n-deed, yr right...spoze i'm tryin 2 make the procezz more complicated, but also simplified uzing the tranzlation approach...
<datahbleede>	bri, yr scannin ideah, can u say moore?
<martha>	i'm sorry i probably missed it, but what do you mean by tranzlation approach?
<Surd>	yes, this is for others to read later, too.
<datahbleede>	martha, latelee ive been manipulatin textz thru my mezangelling, then tranzlatin them "bac" in2 engleesh...
<PbN>	as demo'd recent on list, Mar...
<re_workinpr>	semantic channels, on analogy to radio frequencies or... email threads [or lists]...
<datahbleede>	butte only thru a limi-ted approach, ie tranzlatin the literal interp, not n-corp.ore.ratin all the multilayers/hypergrams as bill calls em...
<datahbleede>	got ewe bri.
<re_workinpr>	re-reading back + forth for multiple resonance
<datahbleede>	martha, i waz sayin b4 that i'm not shore if thiz m-plict translation is a compro.mize[r]...or a natural progrezzion ov the wurk itzelf.
*	jley is imagining a libretto of voices ... some mezang ... some the 'translations' ...
<Surd>	is it motivated by a feeling that the mezangelling is too much for some or otherwise?
<datahbleede>	bri, doez thizz scannin b-haviour shadow yr reel-life inpho n-tegration? doez 4 me....
<martha>	ok, i haven't read the list this week....but is this sort of like translating hip hop for the non-hip on a cd cover?
<re_workinpr>	yes, to my detriment sometimes :)
<martha>	in the end it's all in how something is interpreted perhaps.
<datahbleede>	surd, i hon.EST.lee kant say, but it pheelz like the wurk is hybridizing b-tween the 2, though i am itchin 2 get sounde in there 2...
*	jley didn't see it that way ... the translations changed the meter of the work, its pacing ...
<datahbleede>	martha, X_ACT.lee!! that's a purrfect N-al.oh.gee!
<martha>	i like jley's idea. did you ever hear butch morris's chorus of poets anyone?
<datahbleede>	jenn, yeah, i spoze i have a diffurrent take with a creat.ores biaz....
<jley>	mezopera mezopera !!
<datahbleede>	nope martha, tell uz ahbout itte?
<datahbleede>	ehehhe mezanthroperah?
<martha>	butch conducts musicians and poets, and poets and musicians, with
<martha>	hand signals
<martha>	he has a whole language which he uses
<martha>	and replaces the more traditional "arrangement" with what he calls a conduction.
<jley>	wow ... imagine using sign too mez ??? (my imagination is running away with itself)
<martha>	yeah i love the idea of sign language
<martha>	very international
<PbN>	s y m b o l
<PbN>	i c
*	re_workinpr thinks 'conduction' = great trope !
<jley>	and poetic ... once you start looking at how it works
<datahbleede>	eheh jenn, yeah...wood b n-terestin with mi love ov the tact.tile...
<martha>	yeah, he would have a signal for making sounds that circle, wave, get louder etc.
<martha>	it's amazing how musicians, poets and even dj's can participate together and make music like that
*	datahbleede muzes the t.ouch[e] N the netwurke...cablez of hand motionz, waves of hair strandingz into optic fibrez...
<re_workinpr>	martha - is this improvised conduction or 'scored'?
<martha>	improvised
<martha>	a real mental workout really
<martha>	i participated in a couple
<datahbleede>	yeah?
<martha>	you have to have a good memory because you have to remember what you just improvised...
<PbN>	improv on structure
<martha>	right, and of course familiarity with the "language"
<martha>	rehearsals were rather entertaining
<datahbleede>	ah, phamiliarity....
<martha>	and family arguments
<datahbleede>	:)
<Surd>	At some point, Mez, I'd be interested in hearing your take on the political in your writing and elsewhere... is that a component of your writing?
<datahbleede>	ooh
<jley>	good question Jim
<datahbleede>	thort thizz mite come up:)
<datahbleede>	well, i tri not 2 actifflee wurk political state[wo]mentz in2 the mezangelled tracts, azz in i finde that wurk that is con[ned]structked pri.mar[yanne]ilee as politikal has an agender i juzt don't gelle with...
<datahbleede>	..BUTE> > > >
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<datahbleede>	....ov courze my wurk in totalitee has a rampant political natore, even if it izz 2 highlighte some ov my own buggebearz that i tend 2 ab.strack conceptualli n hence, poll.ititicalli...
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<NoName>	hello mez :-)
<Surd>	Does the phrase 'politics of the spirit' apply more than otherwise?
*	PbN needs to run -- brb...
<datahbleede>	...4 egg.sample, my constant re.furr.all 2 woman instead ov juzt man [as in [wo]manifezt]..alzo my referncez to scientific construcktz as thru power/capitalistic-tock/wezternized urgingz...
<datahbleede>	ooh, it cood jim, yeah.
<re_workinpr>	mez, re that : do you think 'language' is or creates 'reality,' in the sense that changing language can change the world?
<jley>	things like load[h]er ??? definitely political :))
<datahbleede>	i think the d-tails spell out[re] moore than pure political statementz, butte i cood b wronge....
<datahbleede>	ooh yeah jenn, 4 shore
<martha>	i think you're right
<martha>	perhaps from the more complicated
<martha>	untranslateable
<datahbleede>	yuppe martha
<martha>	to the more simplistic speech
<martha>	which requires less attention
<datahbleede>	bri...used 2 ponder this in my psych daze..whorfian hypotheziz and all that....
<jley>	if the political slant is almost subliminal ... I would think that would ultimately support what bri is saying
<Surd>	Stein was not 'overtly' political but it has nonetheless been very liberating.
<re_workinpr>	don't know whorf, what's that?
<datahbleede>	...eye think that wurd usage/x-posure can only n-hance change if used in a cur.tain way, though as 2 whether it shapez the wurld ore vice-vurr[sion]sa, dunno realli...
<re_workinpr>	surd: what about the text entitled 'patriarchal poetry'? - pretty overt i think...
<jley>	what text is that brian??
<Surd>	don't know that one, brian.
<re_workinpr>	you mean gertrude stein, yes?
<Surd>	yes
<datahbleede>	x-actly wot u said, the research waz whether words shape learning/modelling/behaviour or the reverse..they used lotsah refurrences to 50 words 4 snowe in ezkimo speak etc...has been disproved i think, knott shore...
<re_workinpr>	it's in all the collected stein volumes. it's about... well, patriarchal poetry :)
<datahbleede>	welle fancee that!
<datahbleede>	:)
<jley>	those patriarchs ;)
<datahbleede>	pat.tree.architecturalli poeticz?
<re_workinpr>	pronomial tendencies you might say... what it means to say 'she' or 'he'
<martha>	yeah those pastryfarts
<datahbleede>	mite make moore sense that way:)
<datahbleede>	shore bri....
*	jley wonders about this 'she' thing ... ie. do some people see the changing of pronouns as 'oh, here come the shemales again??' ...
<PbN>	some
<re_workinpr>	what = shemales?
<datahbleede>	the shemale thang?
<Surd>	naw, that's in the language now, isn't it?
*	jley is curious
<martha>	what's in the language?
*	re_workinpr is confused
<martha>	what language?
<datahbleede>	i thinke if u offah bothe [as in bothe pronounz] the reader/interactor getz 2 make the choice N n-terpretation, don't they?
<jley>	is the use of female pronouns read as self conscious??
<Surd>	i mean it is conventional not to use 'man' etc now
<Surd>	for humankind etc
<martha>	probably militantly feministic
<datahbleede>	ehehh
<PbN>	political cracked
<datahbleede>	thoze rad femmez
<datahbleede>	:)
<datahbleede>	[joke]
<jley>	hehe femmon a na
<reiner>	s_hehe (?)
<datahbleede>	izz this the o' humanistic wurdz in a political clothing d-barghc-all?
<re_workinpr>	mez - re: before : so you don't really think much of theories that language constitutes behavior/etc.?
<datahbleede>	4 a purrsonall purrspectiff, i use both, make a pointe of hollowz in the language that i pheel doezn't apply, that x-cludes, removes n-clusion in2 the language, but i don't tri 2 browe beat....
<re_workinpr>	doesn't come across as such... but what about the more general notion that writing can 'make a difference'?
<jley>	yes, I don't think mez's work comes across as self-conscious in a political sense ... my question was more general
<datahbleede>	bri, didn't say that, spoze i shoulda cla.riff.ifed...fromme a sci perspectiff, dunno, but frome an n-trospectiff one i think it has the powah 2, but dependz on the receptivitee of the reader, contextual cuez, presentation etc etc...i am a +itivist about it :)
<reiner>	have to leave now --- thanks to all and mez --- c.u.-s.u.-b.u.
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<re_workinpr>	between science + introspection there's human[ist] activism ?
<jley>	I would hope bri :)
<datahbleede>	me too:)
*	re_workinpr is perhaps naive?
<datahbleede>	az 4 writinge makin a diffurrence, i woodn't b doin thizz i suppoze if i ul.time.atlee thought uberwize...
<jley>	naive??
<jley>	nahhh why?
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<datahbleede>	naive az in thinkin writin can make a diff u mean?
*	re_workinpr is stuck in a non-thought
<PbN>	:)
<datahbleede>	getz on2 the qz of y we write, i zoopoze...
<Surd>	Some writing 'makes a difference' by dint of its consciousness. Other writing is engaged in the world, or the writer is, toward a different sort of 'difference'.
*	jley smiles, thinks brian [cannot =] naive
<datahbleede>	nice summ.ation jim, yr rightte....
<datahbleede>	i wanduh b-tween motivez, motivationz, goalz when i wri[gh]te.....
<PbN>	Well, whether or not it can/does/might make or be different is kind of what we're here trying to discover, yes?
<jley>	i'm not sure we get to know Ted ... ??
<PbN>	:)
<datahbleede>	I tri 2 keep the strucktore there without rez-strict.ting[le] itte 2 much, butte alzo x-pressing N unfolded thort, emotion, etc....
*	jley has to run ... enjoyed this so much .... thanks mez !!
<PbN>	Mez, yr writing has made a difference in my thinking... work....
<datahbleede>	ted, realli? howe so?
<Surd>	Yes, ditto with Ted.
*	datahbleede wood luv 2 know the difference[engine] factor....that's wunder.full!
<PbN>	Mez, u open my mind/eyes to new ways of thinking about what it means... might mean
<datahbleede>	whoa
<datahbleede>	that's great:)
<PbN>	...all the q.s here -- tho I have no answers :)
<datahbleede>	don't u though? izzn't yr creation anne.sur enuff?
<datahbleede>	surd, howe has it changed yr stuff?
<datahbleede>	think-inge?
<datahbleede>	wurk?
*	datahbleede is veri curiouz...:)
<PbN>	Yes, surely I could say same for many here and at WebA... but have followed yr work in particular, M, for a very long time.
<Surd>	innovative, high energy writing does seem to proffer different glasses, charged with vitality and the moment.
<martha>	gotta go folks, fascinating as always mez, thanks all
<datahbleede>	thx 2:)
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<Surd>	I'm here in Victoria with my folks, so must wrap up in the next fifteen minutes.
<datahbleede>	wanted 2 ask a qz with soma the gurls here
<datahbleede>	ok can i ask a quik qz then?
<Surd>	of course
<datahbleede>	juzt wanted to [wo]mention that a high pro.portion of res.pond.dance[rz] 2 the mezangelled pozts r men...
<datahbleede>	...inne the lazt batch, no gurliez partishipated...
<datahbleede>	waz gonna ask y u all think sew?
<Surd>	I've noted that you display a certain intellectual independence
*	re_workinpr thinx this is important
<datahbleede>	rightte...
<Surd>	that is great.
<PbN>	pennish envy?
<datahbleede>	eheheh nice 1 ted:)
*	re_workinpr meant, what is important = the issue of who responds etc.
<datahbleede>	i've alwaze thought of mi writing 2 b androgynouz based, mebbe thizz has something 2 do with it?
<PbN>	yr writing is ex-citing, Mez
<datahbleede>	shore bri, gotcha.
<datahbleede>	thx ted:)
<datahbleede>	mebbe eye unconsciouslee make my stuff a l'tle 2 x-clusive?? knot shore, but i'm wonduhing about itte..
<re_workinpr>	always been an issue on every list i've been on : male voxes/identities dominating talk-wise...
<PbN>	I don't know that gender does/n't play a role so much as sensibility???
<Surd>	naw, you gotta go with your best, Mez.
<datahbleede>	mebbe it doezn't have anything 2 du with the genduh...
<datahbleede>	shore ted, makez senze...
<datahbleede>	anywaze, izz something 2 think aboute. no doubt it'll wurk itself in there, someawhere:)
<datahbleede>	eheh
<re_workinpr>	mez - what is the history of response to the mezangs, genderwise ? + depends on what ?
<datahbleede>	well, when i phirzt started out, most ppl assumed i waz male, gotte a bit of flak about that butte i didn't dis-courage itte, was part of the avatarian threade....nowe that it's open source kode that i'm female, makez for some n-teresting responsez...
<datahbleede>	itz now kindah a null-s-sue, which is goode, but i'm not that stoopid to think it doezn't facktor in2 some ppls responzes...
<datahbleede>	if u get wot i mean? body politic-tock n all that:)
<re_workinpr>	i think it's probably ^very^ active + even constitutive of responses + response-modes
<datahbleede>	shore...
<datahbleede>	mite b 1 ov thoze thingz i kneede to x-plore....
<Surd>	it's challenging writing in many ways, love it, Mez/
*	datahbleede starts the deactiff.a.shion process....
<Surd>	eheha
<datahbleede>	thx all:_ great chat, very thought-n-spiring:)
<Surd>	Thanks Mez, Ted, Brian, noname...
*	re_workinpr imagines a parting choreography of texts, inter-facing, gestures of conduction, repercussion, improvisation, regeneration
<PbN>	Yrs is a zuper art, Mez -- thank you so much for making it freely available, and please, bring us more! :)
<datahbleede>	ooh yeah. letz all do it.
<PbN>	And thx to all here today -- especially Surd n Mez... all best!
<datahbleede>	thx all, and bezt back 2 u all:)
<re_workinpr>	oui, adios
<Surd>	K, over and out, all.
*	datahbleede dis-n-gagez
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